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Podcast: Pet Meals and Local weather Change


Transcript of Podcast: Pet Meals vs Local weather Change

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F/X : Grocery retailer environment

Alex
Pizza, test that off the checklist, it’s in recyclable packaging as effectively, good!

Fruit, I’ll decide up some free native apples, keep away from the plastic on the bagged ones.

Proper, now for Henry’s meals.

…. None of those look significantly appetising… And I can’t see something about sustainability, or carbon footprint… hmm…

F/X : transition to meals scorching / being cooked

F/X : Canine bark

Alex
Quiet down Henry, it’ll be prepared quickly!

Alex
Not one of the kibble seemed appetising, I do know I can’t at all times feed you a steak for tea, nevertheless it’s practically prepared okay?

Jane
Howdy and welcome to Engineering Issues, I’m Jane Sophia and I’m Alex Conacher. 

Alex
And also you would possibly effectively be questioning what my pet canine Henry is doing in an episode of Engineering Issues

Jane
Nicely…..it is a story about an environmental life cycle evaluation calculator that our associate for this episode, advisor WSP, has created for a pet meals enterprise referred to as Open Farm.

Alex
It’s a story about how one enterprise has applied expertise to sort out a few of the most troublesome challenges that any firm will face relating to understanding and decreasing its carbon footprint.

Jane
This contains addressing the carbon generated by its provide chain, recognized in trade as scope three emissions. And its expertise might provide invaluable classes for different firms.

Alex
Right here’s Jacqueline Prehogan, co-founder of Open Farm and that is her story.

Jacqueline
Okay, so we now have three canines which might be seniors. They’re all pug mixes. So we now have a Puggle, which is a pug beagle, Bella, a pug Japanese chin, Maddie, and a Pug Frenchie, Duncan, however they’re all very puggy. So all of them like appear like pug. They usually’re truly all rescues. So Bella, we bought, and Bella was like, the OG like pug that prefer it’s like began in any respect, , we bought her in 2010 Yeah, she’s 12.

Then Maddie got here subsequent, Maddie’s 10. And people two are a bonded pair to allow them to’t be separated. They should do every part collectively.

After which yeah, Duncan was, he was seven after we bought him and I used to be like, clearly, we won’t get any extra pugs or canines 

However he was a diva. He was like, I do not know what went on. However he was like such a spoiled diva. And he nonetheless was from the start. 

So yeah, no they’re positively the inspiration and a giant a part of what we do and provides us concepts but additionally, , once more, why we love what we do as a result of it is pets similar to them that we’re working for day by day and we actually , we actually take pleasure in that.

Jane
By means of the love of her canines and the private transition she and her household had been present process, Jacqueline started to think about the animal welfare behind her meals. 

Alex
As a household, they utilized an ethos to think about the place their meals was coming from, how sustainable and moral the rearing practices had been that went into their meals. 

Jacqueline
After which after all, wished to do the identical for our pets. 

However yeah, actually, , when searching for, the unique thought was a humanely raised pet meals went out searching for that, could not discover it, and you will realise there was a possibility. And for positive, , there are different individuals on the market searching for the identical factor, particularly at the moment. You already know, as I believe, when persons are making an attempt to actually return to their native butcher retailers, and actually beginning to search for these higher choices when it got here to their meat. After which I believe we actually rapidly realised that, , there’s extra to do. And the idea grew into, , ethically sourced, which has an even bigger scope, as a result of that is round, after all, the, the animal welfare being tremendous core, but additionally , sustainability, after all, you are actually how all of our elements are sourced even, , the packaging that they arrive in only a entire very holistic strategy to moral sourcing for our product. 

Jane
Extending this concept into the wants of different pet mother and father, Open Farm strived to supply a straightforward resolution with out compromising on dietary worth or enjoyment. 

Jacqueline 
So for me, like, how I scoop, scoop of kibble, scoop of freeze dried bone broth, wham, bam, performed in like, one minute. 

Alex
Additional to that, they realised that homeowners usually make extra of an effort to analysis the meals they need to feed their pets.  

Jacqueline
And the reason being, , individuals go to the grocery retailer, they sort of know what they need, they’re out and in. However for feeding their pets, like individuals need assist, they need assistance, they’re confused, there’s loads of choices really want loads of steerage. And they also do loads of analysis, they discuss to individuals within the shops, they take the time. And so by means of that, , we have actually been in a position to educate on our programmes, on our certifications. After which individuals be like, Oh, wow, that is superb. They usually would possibly even make a change in their very own meals and the way they’re consuming based mostly on what they realized by means of their pet meals, which is absolutely cool.

Jane
These ideas grew to become their mission…

Jacqueline
Yeah, so our mission Yeah, precisely, is to do some good for animals and the planet.

Jacqueline
And so loads of it was kind of constructing that up and having the fitting format. But it surely’s additionally it isn’t sufficient to similar to slap a certification on our new merchandise, it is also wanting on the formulation, like each element the intention of the way it feeds in, and ensuring that it is, , extraordinarily scrumptious for pets, that it’s actually digestible, that it has, , tremendous nutrient dense elements, each single product, , we undergo that, , pretty like scientific course of as effectively to be sure that we actually are, , together with the fitting dietary values and each product. 

Alex
Right here to speak a little bit extra concerning the sustainability side is Open Farm’s Director of Impression, Megan Tuttle.

Megan Tuttle
Yeah, we actually need to sort of, stroll the discuss, and be sure that we actually are essentially the most sustainable pet meals firm, we actually are essentially the most ethically sourced pet meals firm. And that is actually why we set our science-based goal, we are able to, , do small adjustments to our sourcing and to our packaging. But when we take into consideration the place most of our emissions come from, it is from our provide chain. It is from our manufacturing. In order that was a extremely, actually huge elevate to set that science-based goal. But it surely’s according to the influence that we need to have as an organization.

Jane
Science-based targets are a essential mechanism for demonstrating that emissions are being diminished according to the necessities of the 2015 Paris Settlement. This landmark world pact, which we now have talked about rather a lot right here on Engineering Issues, goals to forestall the earth from warming past restore, conserving world warming on a path of beneath 1.5°C. 

Megan
So we set a goal in 2020 to cut back our scope one and scope two emissions…

Jane
Scope one emissions being these from sources which might be managed or owned by the corporate, resembling on-site gasoline use.

Alex
Scope two, bought electrical energy, steam, heating and cooling for firm use.

Megan
By 42% by 2030, based mostly off of that 2020 baseline yr, 

After which as a part of that, we additionally set a aim to measure and scale back our scope three emissions. 

Alex
As we stated earlier these are essentially the most troublesome to sort out as they embody a bigger variety of classes, from bought items and companies, to enterprise journey and waste.

Megan
So a little bit bit extra imprecise there. With out, with none of these numbers, however we’re working to refine that, determining precisely how bold we could be there.

So the WSP crew actually helped us out setting that science-based goal, however the LCA calculator targeted on our scope three in our provide chain emissions. So what that did was take a look at every of our completely different merchandise and the entire parts of our merchandise, not simply the elements, however the packaging, and the transportation and supply at every completely different node of the availability chain. To sort of lay out at a product degree what the greenhouse fuel footprint was.

Jane
When wanting on the early phases of merchandise, the outcomes weren’t shocking.

Megan
So we noticed that elements had been a giant hotspot for us realizing that each one of our, all of our merchandise are, I believe greater than 75% meat, generally greater than 85% meat, we knew that was going to be a giant hotspot for us.

Jacqueline
So initially, it positively is dependent upon the protein. You already know, farms are very completely different, relying on the kind of animal that they are elevating.

Alex
For instance, cattle produce extra greenhouse gases than hen or turkey.  

Jane
However that doesn’t imply they need to be utterly reduce out.

Megan
Within the US particularly we now have native grasslands in sort of the Western US. And cows truly do a extremely good job of conserving that grass and preserving that, that panorama. And making that land economically viable nonetheless in agriculture, in stopping it from being transformed to a mono crop like corn or wheat or soy.

Megan
Then there are additionally issues that we are able to do on the opposite facet to create carbon sinks, and that is the place regenerative agriculture comes into play. 

Jane
A technique of farming during which the main focus is on soil well being, water administration and many others. 

Megan
So, we’re working with our farmers and ranchers to higher perceive precisely what provide chain practices are immediately inside our worth chain. 

Alex
One other good factor about shopping for from these farms is the group side. 

Jacqueline
For instance, , our, our hen farmers, and I positively, , visited many prior to now, are they’re a household farm, like, you may go there, and it is a farm with, , mother and father, and often children, we’re gonna have canines, they usually’re elevating their animals there. And, , often, it may be like, a generational farm.

Jane
However they’ll’t purchase immediately from a whole lot of those farms. As a substitute, the produce is distributed to a processing facility and consolidated for firms like Open Farm to purchase from. 

Jacqueline
And what I really like about, like, for instance, the Licensed Humane programme is, it is, there’s an audit course of at each degree. So there’s an audit on the farm, which is for the animal welfare requirements, there’s an audit on the processing slaughter degree, which is to adjust to the slaughter requirements, after which there’s even then, , we purchase the meat, it goes to a producing facility, there’s even an audit backstage, to make sure that solely that meat goes into our luggage, and there is correct, , tracing, flushing out of apparatus and all of that. And so it’s actually intensive, however that is how we’re in a position to work with all these kind of particular person little farms. And it is nice as a result of they then get compensated for like having higher practices. 

Alex
The following step to think about is what this meals is packaged into…

Jane
And the place that packaging goes on the finish of its life.

Megan
We need to design every part in order that it has a path out of landfill. So proper now the vast majority of our packaging goes by means of a programme referred to as TerraCycle, which is a extremely cool programme that takes exhausting to recycle supplies like multilayer pet meals luggage, to issues like cigarette butts and sort of finds a path out of landfill for them. And it turns them into parking bumpers or park benches. 

Alex
The trick is in making certain the shoppers know tips on how to get rid of the packaging within the appropriate approach.

Megan
We’re additionally, working with an organisation referred to as Easy methods to Recycle which is a standardised labelling sort of system and what they do is absolutely clearly clarify to the client, what to do with every of the completely different parts of their packaging. So we’re launching two kibble luggage that’ll be curbside recyclable in Canada, retailer drop off within the US after which our dietary supplements packaging will probably be extensively recyclable and in each international locations.

Jane
Between all of this, the manufacturing, the processing, the tip of life, is transport. 

Megan
Simply pondering of the logistics of the fuel and the diesel and, and all of that one other, one other hotspot for us.

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Jane
Right here is Samantha Metaxas, an advisor on the WSP Local weather Advisory Staff. She works with firms to assist them perceive their environmental influence – by quantifying their greenhouse fuel stock. 

Alex
And the way greatest to cut back their impacts by means of targets and different initiatives.

Samantha
We carried out a collection of workshops with the Open Farm crew to know what imaginative and prescient goals, and in the end KPIs and targets they wished to set with respect to local weather change. After which we additionally coated just a few actions that they may take at a excessive degree to begin decreasing that influence after we had quantified their stock.

However we additionally went by means of a variety of conversations by means of these workshops to get a broader understanding of why they had been taking over this work, the way it aligned with their model and their targets as an organisation, and the place they in the end wished to be. In order that’s the place these, these workshops got here in. And I believe it is helped present a broader context for the extra technical work that we had been doing.

Jane
This technical work was a greenhouse fuel stock, calculating the greenhouse fuel emission related to Open Farm throughout a calendar yr.

Alex
This top-down perspective takes in Open Farm’s operations at massive…

Samantha
That gave us actually a kind of top-down perspective on their operations and the influence related to these operations of their provide chain as effectively. After which seeing the output from that train, it triggered the necessity, or the will to tackle this screening degree Lifecycle Evaluation Software…

And that was actually to have a look at the bottom-up perspective, from a product-based lens.

It permits them to focus in on the place these greatest impacts are from product to product, and truly, incorporate these selections for discount into their recipe design, product design at that degree.

Alex
To correlate the info from these steps required a really particular device….

Jane
Have we talked about earlier than that we love a calculator right here on Engineering Issues?

Samantha
Theoretically, the device could possibly be used to evaluate any sort of product, it is also used to evaluate the influence of processes as effectively, it would not essentially should be from the angle of a last product, though that I believe, is what it is most helpful for. But it surely actually is versatile by way of the way it’s designed.

Alex
And rather a lot went into its creation…

Samantha
There was loads of iteration within the growth of the interface. After all, loads of the info, we trusted Open Farm for that got here by means of conversations with them. And a few of the emission elements or different influence elements that sit within the backend of the device, we introduced these to the desk. However by way of enhancements, I believe loads of these enhancements had been ironed out over the course of the instruments growth.

Jane
Leading to a kind of carbon pie chart, displaying the quantity of carbon produced in every space, or slice if you’ll

Alex
Seeing this breakdown allowed Open Farm to know which slices wanted work and delve deeper into these to find why.

Jane
Nonetheless, this does imply that the calculator depends closely on the info it’s fed. 

Alex
Bear in mind earlier after we talked about completely different elements having a special environmental influence?

Jane
The meat vs hen factor…

Samantha
For that purpose, we need to dive deeper into these elements by way of the info that we use. 

Jane
At present, the info they utilise is primarily sourced from trade benchmarks.

Samantha
So a benchmark determine for a way a lot, what number of greenhouse fuel emissions are related to one kilogramme of beef as an illustration. And I believe one enchancment, you might name it, could be working with Open Farm’s, suppliers immediately to higher perceive what practices they’re using on the farm for instance and have the ability to refine that emission issue and have or not it’s extra bespoke to Open Farm’s operations. In order that’s one space of enchancment that we’re presently pursuing.

Basically, the device was designed to assist them higher perceive the impacts of their particular person merchandise and past that, the inputs to their particular person merchandise. 

to assist Open Farm actually slim in on some excessive influence areas and find a way, internally, to make some selections by means of their innovation and R&D, to decrease the influence of their merchandise that in the end attain the shoppers.

Megan
So when WSP, helped us with our carbon footprint…

Alex
Helped Open Farm perceive the general influence of their operations, this led Open Farm to design new merchandise 

Jane
A growth of this has been the design of latest merchandise.

Megan
So we, sort of pondering alongside these strains eager to nonetheless be essentially the most sustainable pet meals firm, are launching later this yr, a, insect based mostly in kibble and a plant based mostly kibble, which we’re actually, actually enthusiastic about. So that can give pet mother and father the choice to make the selection they usually can see, , absolutely transparently the carbon footprint of every, how that sort of stacks up, the element behind it and make the selection that is proper for them and their pet.

Jacqueline
And now having the ability to kind of deal with our mission and kind of new, modern forms of merchandise. You already know, for me, no less than, like I’m so enthusiastic about insect kibble, I believe primary, it is an, an important sustainable sort of protein that we need to be utilizing, and it is a very low carbon footprint product and we’re actually enthusiastic about that. Quantity two, once more, I like this concept of kind of, like socialising a brand new idea, similar to we did with like, our animal welfare certifications, and educated, , insect base remains to be comparatively new. 

Jacqueline
And three is kind of pet wants as a result of loads of canines have loads of allergy symptoms and sensitivities, to completely different like proteins, like hen allergy is, so frequent, and loads of occasions the vet will need to get the canine on kind of a novel protein, novel protein, one thing that that they’ve by no means had earlier than. And I am actually excited concerning the thought of insect as that as a result of, , pets, they positively have not had that, sometimes.

Alex
Working with WSP and their LCA calculator to higher perceive their carbon footprint, Open Farm now has a roadmap to move into the long run. 

Jacqueline
And, completely, we need to see this proceed in our trade as effectively, , one in all our core values as a enterprise is to boost the bar. And actually, which means, , pushing ahead, by no means sitting again, at all times making an attempt to kind of elevate the best way that we ship on our mission. And, and the aim is hopefully, , for others to comply with. And I believe there have been some actually cool, like, , examples of how we have seen that occur in our trade. And I believe how our model has truly actually modified the dialogue and shoppers expectations in our trade. And that is been Yeah, actually unimaginable. And I believe one of many issues we’re most pleased with, but additionally actually need to proceed to do is to drive that constructive change.

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Samantha
I believe loads of firms perceive that it is a very urgent matter, local weather change is a urgent challenge. They need to begin making strikes to do one thing about it. However my phrase of recommendation could be, begin by understanding your influence,

do not run earlier than you possibly can stroll so to talk, there’s at all times , the passion to leap straight towards goal setting, I need to be web zero by 2050 and, sadly, these sorts of claims do not maintain loads of weight except you have performed the work to know the place you’re proper now. And what’s possible by when and the way you are going to get there. 

Megan
I’d actually like to be the instance that different firms comply with. As a result of it’s a actually lengthy journey, it is a actually powerful journey to begin to decarbonize your complete worth chain. So that’s, that’s my greatest hope. And I might like to sort of past that work and encourage our pet mother and father and encourage others to sort of go about that journey inside their very own lives as effectively and, and have a extremely sturdy foundational understanding of what we’re doing and why we’re doing it. And the way they’ll take a few of those self same options and implement them in their very own lives as effectively. 

So working to sort of proceed to encourage sort of these private selections, as a result of I believe that is how we’ll in the end achieve success as a society in addressing loads of the problems round local weather change.

Jacqueline
It is like how can we make investments extra in our mission? How can we do that higher? How can we preserve pushing, and , actually seeing, like this stuff which might be troublesome, and which might be obstacles as alternatives to only actually do one thing superb.

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Engineering Issues is a manufacturing of Reby Media
This episode was written and produced by me, Jane Sophia
Co-hosted by Alex Conacher 
Enhancing by Bernadette Ballantyne
Sound Engineering by Ross MacPherson
Sequence supervision by Jon Younger
And our personal furry buddy is Rory Harris

Particular because of our episode companions WSP and Open Farm 

And thanks for listening! You’ll find Engineering Issues on all podcast apps, on our web site engineeringmatters.reby.media, on Fb, on Twitter and on LinkedIn.

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